A Moment For Dwarf Feelings
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grav_ityI'm about 2.5K into the next part of ELF FEELINGS, so obviously it was time to take a moment and tell you some of my thoughts about dwarves.
(I am failing really hard in my TOLKIEN thing. This should go with THE RETURN JOURNEY or maybe when I get to the appendices at the end of LotR, but WHATEVER. So much for being linear!)
So!
Thranduil is kind of a jerk in the movies, and I’m totally fine with that. I know his backstory and I can understand it.
I’m kind of curious about Dain, though. In the movie, he refuses to help (even though the geography of that meeting makes, like, ZERO sense), and since Thorin is something of a grudge holder, I’m wondering how that’ll play out.
Because Dain is kind of awesome!
At Azanulbizar, he kills Azog, in revenge for killing Nain, his father! And earns the name “Ironfoot”! For…kicking something. I FORGET THE DETAILS.
Anyway, he gets better. He looks through the front gate at Moria and SEES THE GODDAMN BALROG, and then he’s all “Um, guys? Let’s just call this one and go home.” And everyone listens to him! Because he’s epic, even though he’s just 32 and it’s his first campaign.
Oh, and then in the LOTR, he faces down a Ringwraith (possibly the Witch-King himself) MORE THAN ONE TIME, and refuses to give up any information on Biblo, instead dispatching Gloin and Gimli to Elrond, because DAIN IS A TALKER.
In the HOBBIT, the most characterization we get of him is that he “dealt his treasure well”, and is a good king, but at the end of LotR, he stands with Brand (Bard’s grandson, and King of Dale), and is cut down defending his body at the age of 252.
Gandalf recounts this to Gimli (in the appendices), and the pair of them can’t even really bring themselves to be sad, because Dain was SO AWESOME and SO OLD and his death was SO PERFECTLY EPIC, just as he was in life.
And then his grandson was the final reincarnation of Durin, and led the dwarves (finally) back to Moria. This is what dwarves do when they are not overshadowed by rings. Rings can’t turn them, which I think is excellent, but it did serve to make Sauron hella pissed at them, and that’s what really brought down Thorin et al. Malice and magnified greed.
So I’m kind of curious to see what Billy Connolly and the writing team do.
(I am failing really hard in my TOLKIEN thing. This should go with THE RETURN JOURNEY or maybe when I get to the appendices at the end of LotR, but WHATEVER. So much for being linear!)
So!
Thranduil is kind of a jerk in the movies, and I’m totally fine with that. I know his backstory and I can understand it.
I’m kind of curious about Dain, though. In the movie, he refuses to help (even though the geography of that meeting makes, like, ZERO sense), and since Thorin is something of a grudge holder, I’m wondering how that’ll play out.
Because Dain is kind of awesome!
At Azanulbizar, he kills Azog, in revenge for killing Nain, his father! And earns the name “Ironfoot”! For…kicking something. I FORGET THE DETAILS.
Anyway, he gets better. He looks through the front gate at Moria and SEES THE GODDAMN BALROG, and then he’s all “Um, guys? Let’s just call this one and go home.” And everyone listens to him! Because he’s epic, even though he’s just 32 and it’s his first campaign.
Oh, and then in the LOTR, he faces down a Ringwraith (possibly the Witch-King himself) MORE THAN ONE TIME, and refuses to give up any information on Biblo, instead dispatching Gloin and Gimli to Elrond, because DAIN IS A TALKER.
In the HOBBIT, the most characterization we get of him is that he “dealt his treasure well”, and is a good king, but at the end of LotR, he stands with Brand (Bard’s grandson, and King of Dale), and is cut down defending his body at the age of 252.
Gandalf recounts this to Gimli (in the appendices), and the pair of them can’t even really bring themselves to be sad, because Dain was SO AWESOME and SO OLD and his death was SO PERFECTLY EPIC, just as he was in life.
And then his grandson was the final reincarnation of Durin, and led the dwarves (finally) back to Moria. This is what dwarves do when they are not overshadowed by rings. Rings can’t turn them, which I think is excellent, but it did serve to make Sauron hella pissed at them, and that’s what really brought down Thorin et al. Malice and magnified greed.
So I’m kind of curious to see what Billy Connolly and the writing team do.
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Date: 2014-01-19 07:08 pm (UTC)I would just look the scenes up on youtube. There's only 10 minutes added, or something silly like that, so it's not HUGE.
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Date: 2014-01-19 07:30 pm (UTC)Though I think Celeborn genuinely likes Thranduil and respects him. I think he sees his flaws but also his virtues. And vice versa.
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Date: 2014-01-19 08:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-01-19 08:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-01-19 09:08 pm (UTC)But maybe, with the brain skyping, they have, like, a really great commuter-marriage? Where they live in different towns for extended periods of time, but have very deep and meaningful conversations when they're home from work? OR SOMETHING?
I also really like the idea that they were both in love with places, and as fond as they were of each other, they were both content to...respect each other's life wishes?
I have no idea. ELVES, I TELL YOU. They complicated stuff JUST FOR KICKS.
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Date: 2014-01-19 10:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-01-19 10:32 pm (UTC)I'm going to go with YES, because Celeborn could brain skype on the trip back to Hobbiton from Minas Tirith, and he never had a ring.
(My whole world just about fell apart just now, so you know. DON'T TAKE AWAY THE BRAIN SKYPING!)