Sanctuary: Normandy

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Okay, I lied again. I have coherent thoughts right now.

Let me open by saying that I kind of loved this episode.

(I know, you're all terribly surprised.)

I had very high expectations and, despite having watched every teaser I could get my hands on, I actually didn't know that many details besides who was in it. So almost everything that happened was a delightful surprise.

But there are a few things that...well, let's just say they confused me.

1. Why did this episode happen? I mean, I love that it was solid flashback and I can only assume we'll get SOME kind of explanation later, but WHY DID THIS EPISODE HAPPEN?

(I am so, so not complaining. I'm just pointing out that we got The Nazi Episode, and even though it was pretty much written for me, I'm still not sure why it was written AT ALL.)

2. Why the HELL was Robin Dunne in this episode? And who tells him that his accents are funny?

(The only thing that saves it from being a TOTAL DISASTER is that Helen never sees his face, and I'm not even sure she ever catches his NAME, so while her "He'll never be forgotten" is kind of sweet, it also means that either a) she forgot him anyway, which would be funny because it's Will, or b) she's been stalking Will's family since the 1940s and that means they can't possibly hook up and IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME, OKAY?)

3. Why do John's exit lines never make sense? "The Five will come", "All debts paid in full", "What you can't" (okay, so that wasn't his exit line, but Helen can't what, exactly? Because it's not like John did a great job of killing Adam the first time around. And that's the only other mission we know of, so...WHAT HAS JOHN BEEN UP TO?)

(And also, this is probably wrong, but it cracks me up TO NO END that John gets YET ANOTHER hugely bloody escape and subsequent killing of The Bad Guy ENTIRELY OFF SCREEN. Bless his heart.)

4. Is there no one in the WHOLE OF VANCOUVER who can do a German accent?

5. Tesla could control the electromagnetics of the autotype while he was still a vampire and yet he never thought to try it with anything else?

5a. ALSO, I didn't think it was possible, but now his timeline makes EVEN LESS SENSE because if "every spy agency in the world" is after him for the Death Ray (which, it turns out, was invented by JAMES, FCOL), WHY IS HE IN LONDON?

(I've already fanwanked this, btw: he spent a year or so terrorizing Nazis in the woods during which time James perfected the design, and then they begged him to come back, and he was a jerk about the terms, but at the same time they had no choice, so they offered him full immunity, and now he's just sitting around in London being all polygottish and ADORABLE and, WHAT, I WANT THE FIC TO STILL MAKE SENSE, OKAY?)

(Also, Tesla totally got the shaft in this episode. And that's after getting the chute in the last episode (thank you! I'll be here all week! No, really. I probably will). I hope next week he gets to leave the room and threaten more people. Because that was awesome.)

So there's that.

But ask me if I care about any of these things.

(I'll give you a hint: I DON'T FREAKING CARE ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS.)

And this is why.

Perhaps I am overly easy to please (who, me?), but seriously, this episode was MADE FOR ME. I don't so much care that it had no actual purpose (that we know of) in terms of the larger story (except to get Nigel a girlfriend, which, btw, I am totally down with), because it brought to light or confirmed several pieces of canon/fanon that are extremely important to me.

1. JAMES WAS WEARING THE FRAKKING SUIT! And Nigel knew how to work it! (And, somehow, JOHN knew how to work it...) And it wasn't complete yet, as the tubing was not all present and there was no sign of the exoskeleton. CANON, my friends. CANON FOR EVERYONE.

2. In "For King and Country", James and John don't even SPEAK to one another, not really. And this time, they kind of let it out a bit, which means that NEXT time (in "Revelations", until proven otherwise), James can REALLY GO TO TOWN ON IT.

2a. SERIOUSLY, after the "Feel better?"; "Much"; "Shall we?"; "GOD, YES!" exchange, HOW DID THEY NOT KISS?

(side note: "GOD, YES!" was almost exactly what I said! EXCEPT I WAS A LOT MORE HYSTERICAL THAN JAMES WAS. If you can imagine it.)

2b. SERIOUSLY, after the "Spymaster, Detective, Inventor, Genius" scene, how did I not kiss them?

3. HELEN/JAMES! ACTUALLY HAPPENED! I thought at first John was just mocking him, but HOLY GOD, THEY WENT THERE. AND BACK AGAIN. AND I LOVE THEM.

4. THE TUNISIAN FIRE ELEMENTAL! I wonder how they get it back to the London Sanctuary.

5. No mention of Old City, which lends credence to my "Helen relocated after WWII" theory.

6. NIGEL AND JEANETTE! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

7. James built a machine to control the weather. I DON'T EVEN CARE. I do care a bit that he shaved, but I can live with it. It made him look very, very young (younger than in FKAC, for sure), but he was also fighting in a war so...I guess it works. HOLY GOD, HIS FACE though!

8. Hilarious, hilarious shouty German, made even funnier by the goggles. You just KNOW they were dying in between takes.

9. Tesla being all "Oh, I don't mean England, I mean Helen." wrt: John's loyalties and so on. And the bits where got his vampire on. GOD, I LOVE JONATHON YOUNG. He is just so damn precise and it kills me every time.

10. The Norway misdirect. I can't believe ACTUAL PEOPLE fell for that. SERIOUSLY. If they'd worked in a line about the postcard collecting for the "museum display", I might have actually died. Well, I might have actually eaten my pillow. Which I came pretty close to doing anyway.

11. "Hurt her...or hurt you?" I AM NEVER GETTING OVER THIS EPISODE!

12. It doesn't completely undo everything that happened in "Revelation", does it? I don't think it does. Torture, though. Adds a couple (more) levels to those scenes.

13. I really, really hope they get Peter Wingfield to do the commentary for this episode.

14. I'm not even making sense anymore.

So yeah, I'm one of Those Fans who will accept weird and inexplicable, done to death plot lines because I don't so much care about the episode as I care about the fact that it got them all together (more or less) to talk about their feelings.

Awakenings is, objectively, a much better episode. Better written, more sense making and certainly a better fit into the rest of the season. But I have never in my life claimed to be objective, and there are just too many small, random details that I ADORE TO PIECES (by which I mean every scene with James and/or John, because...have we met?)

And, at the end of the night (except now it's the morning...), it was still all about Helen ("our leader"! Oh, BE STILL MY HEART, Nigel!). All about Helen and her amazing ability to make it work, even when she is telling the CRAPPIEST COVER STORY EVER (your purse Helen? FOR REALS?). I love her SO MUCH.

Also, there was an immaculate three-piece suit and a progressively more disheveled cravat. I AM NOT MADE OF STONE, YOU GUYS!

(I think a few of you may have already guessed that.)

Comments

[dragonacesg7.livejournal.com]

Nikola's messed up timeline, gotta love that

though when we first heard about the ep I was all sad because thought that meant he wouldn't be in there

good point about the auto-type and his ability to control it, though wonder if gaining the electricity over time made that hard (random thought)

I swear I thought John was going to kiss James
especially after the 'Hurt her? or hurt you?" line

I thought John was reading into things too
the James/Helen really sort of throws me but maybe it not working completely prompted her relocation

and yeah the stuff with Robbin Dunne...
what accent was that even supposed to be?

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

the James/Helen really sort of throws me but maybe it not working completely prompted her relocation

I don't like that, so much. I see their relationship as steady and relatively healthy, but I also believe that since it's based on their mutual doomed love of John himself, there's just TOO MUCH BAGGAGE for it to really last.

By which I mean that when Helen relocated it was not because of James, but because she was relatively incapable of staying still in London, where she just had too many memories.

[shadadukal]

I swear I thought John was going to kiss James
especially after the 'Hurt her? or hurt you?" line

Yes, same here!

[lferion]

Yes yes yes to all your points!

I think that this episode actually is going to connect to the next one -- in the bit over the credits with snippets from the next ep, someone distinctly said something about Carrington (or something like that) - the name of the place that was said several times in this ep (and now I need to go re-watch or something to track that bit down again).

I actually like James clean-shaven - for one thing, now I can use more of my Methos icons :D

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

Yes, the next ep is called "Carentan", which is why I am willing to cut this episode a bit of slack (though I didn't see the teaser for next week...so I won't know anything until tomorrow...later today).

I like Peter Wingfield clean-shaven. I am less sure how I feel about James.

[querulouspeg.livejournal.com]

OH man, the James/Helen/John love triangle IS CANON!!! WOOOOHOOOO!!! Loved that whole scene with James and John, and also squeed like crazy at the 'God! Yes!' part. And Helen calling James 'Darling' AWWWW! Love them!

Nikola - he is just so awesome, Johnathon Young was soo perfectly cast. Plus we get to see him all black eyes and claws. And BRYLCREEM!!! Love it.

Nigel - well, I love him now, I was so glad he got a pretty meaty part in this ep.

Zimmerman - well, I can deal with it, they pay Robin Dunne too much not to have him appear. The accents on the whole were pretty lousy and I say that as a speaker of French and German, but what the hell, it is tv so you know...suspension of disbelief.

And yeah, Helen, the purse, the cafe, totally lame. With everything that's going on and that young solider lad still fell for her batting her eyelashes?

Also....James needs a beard.....beard beard beard.

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

Loved that whole scene with James and John, and also squeed like crazy at the 'God! Yes!' part. And Helen calling James 'Darling' AWWWW! Love them!

So. Much. Squee.

After watching the episode, I was so worn out from joy that my hands were shaking and I kept tearing up! IT WAS JUST SO GOOD!

The effects for Nikola going in and out of vamp were REALLY COOL. I adored them.

NIGEL! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

HELEN! The only person who is worse at plans is JOHN, and that's because hers have this weird habit of working, whereas his usually end in a bloodbath.

[yazizzle33.livejournal.com]

2a. SERIOUSLY, after the "Feel better?"; "Much"; "Shall we?"; "GOD, YES!" exchange, HOW DID THEY NOT KISS?

(side note: "GOD, YES!" was almost exactly what I said! EXCEPT I WAS A LOT MORE HYSTERICAL THAN JAMES WAS. If you can imagine it.)


It's like you read my mind! I just finished rewatching the episode and I seriously had to watch that scene like 3 or 4 times because OMG I SHIP IT SO HARD!!! Ok, a bit about me, I NEVER slash ship, EVER, and then it just hit me in this scene with that freaking delivery of "GOD, YES!" that I ship John/James like no other! It's taken me absolutely by surprise, but I love it! And the James/Helen took me by utter surprise too! When she called him "darling" I just about lost it! Both times, meaning I squeed while watching live, and then again in my rewatch! And I don't even ship it, but it was just that good! LOL. That's basically what this episode came down to for me. John/Helen/James are possibly my OT3, with John/Helen/James/Nikola as my OT4!

2. Why the HELL was Robin Dunne in this episode? And who tells him that his accents are funny?

I completely agree! I'm sorry, but Robin should not have been in this episode at all. It makes no sense. It's wrong. He should not have been in it. Granted, I'm not the biggest Will fan, but it made no sense. Sorry, but this should've been a Robin-less episode, even more so given how many Will-centric eps we've had in the second half of the season.

1. Why did this episode happen? I mean, I love that it was solid flashback and I can only assume we'll get SOME kind of explanation later, but WHY DID THIS EPISODE HAPPEN?

Also. THIS! It was kind of a really random episode, and I'm hoping that it somehow gets cleared up in the next episode or couple of episodes because it makes no sense. If you're going to do this, better to do it earlier in the season than later when you're doing the arc for the finale. Still, I didn't really care much cuz this episode was full of everything I love! :D

(Oh and I like never comment cuz I'm new to the Sanctuary fandom, but I couldn't resist here. You basically read my thoughts and said everything I wanted to say.)

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

I pretty much never 'ship slash. ;) But after the scene in "Revelations", I was all "Did that just happen? RIGHT ON MY SCREEN? I THINK I LOVE THEM!", and then I started 'shipping James/Declan and...yeah. EVERYONE, ALL OF THE TIME.

It must get cleared up in the next episode. It's called "Carentan" FCOL!

(I'm still relatively new myself...just been here since January. I'm still in full on "the more, the merrier!" stage.)

[shadadukal]

Why did this episode happen? I mean, I love that it was solid flashback and I can only assume we'll get SOME kind of explanation later, but WHY DID THIS EPISODE HAPPEN?

We may get an answer to that in the next ep. Or maybe the show just wanted to be awesome. I totally take it as proof that half the episodes could be about Helen's past though.

2. Why the HELL was Robin Dunne in this episode? And who tells him that his accents are funny?

(The only thing that saves it from being a TOTAL DISASTER is that Helen never sees his face, and I'm not even sure she ever catches his NAME, so while her "He'll never be forgotten" is kind of sweet, it also means that either a) she forgot him anyway, which would be funny because it's Will, or b) she's been stalking Will's family since the 1940s and that means they can't possibly hook up and IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME, OKAY?)

I think she's stalked his family as thanks since the 1940s. But the ep would have worked just as well with a random soldier. I hate it when the same actor plays their grandfather. Because as a whole, genetics don't work like that and it makes me want to scream. It's like in SW. It's been 160 years now that women in the Skywalker bloodline look like Padmé and I'm like "say what?".

"What you can't" (okay, so that wasn't his exit line, but Helen can't what, exactly? Because it's not like John did a great job of killing Adam the first time around. And that's the only other mission we know of, so...WHAT HAS JOHN BEEN UP TO?)

I take it to mean they can't murder people in cold blood. Helen messed up with her shot against Adam, she's been unable to kill John and so has James. Whereas John just goes around killing people coz they're bad news (Hitler), as well as innocent people. He's a cold-blooded killer and they're not. They're passionate killers. But sometimes you need cold-bloodedness.

And also, this is probably wrong, but it cracks me up TO NO END that John gets YET ANOTHER hugely bloody escape and subsequent killing of The Bad Guy ENTIRELY OFF SCREEN. Bless his heart.

He does kill one bad guy on-screen.

I've found a way to deal with the Tesla timeline. You have to ignore the real!Tesla timeline. It solves so many problems. Nikola tells us he was running around with Helen in 1942-1943. Helen tells us she faked his death but never when. Nothing tells us the fake death takes place at the date of the real!Tesla death. Ta-da! Problem solved!

Did they say the Death Ray was invented by James?

We don't know that Tesla is in the next episode. In two weeks! Gah. I always expect no Tesla. This way I can be happy when he's here, instead of disappointed he's not when I thought he would be.

So maybe the design of James's suit pre-dates the breaking down of the Five.

I thought Helen/James had happened but had already broken up by then. So maybe that happens after she moves to Canada.

Nikola doesn't even speak of John's loyalties but of his love for Helen, which makes it even better.

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

We may get an answer to that in the next ep. Or maybe the show just wanted to be awesome. I totally take it as proof that half the episodes could be about Helen's past though.

I think I'd be willing to go a bit higher than "half". :)

Did they say the Death Ray was invented by James?

Possibly I just misinterpreted it in my COMPLETE ECSTASY, but when the Solider Who Likes Comic Books was talking with Nigel about the weather machine, he said "Like a Death Ray?" and Nigel said "Yes".

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TWO WEEKS! I AM KIND OF OKAY WITH THAT! I HOPE I AM NOT CAMPING!

So maybe the design of James's suit pre-dates the breaking down of the Five.

I usually put it right after the Adam Worth thing. Which totally doesn't explain Nigel AT ALL, but I care less about that because...the Source Blood affects them all differently and until I have enough canon to hang a theory on, I am not going to worry about Nigel. ;) But yes, I think he must have met John (um...like in that fic of dbalthasar's) and so on.

I thought Helen/James had happened but had already broken up by then. So maybe that happens after she moves to Canada.

So did I, to be honest, but at the same time I DON'T CARE because IT HAPPENED ON SCREEN and that means I GET TO KEEP IT FOREVER.

(I still like that "James before 1908, Nikola after" theory, btw, but there's no reason she and James didn't do the comfort thing FOREVER. It makes the scene in Revelations where he kind of propositions her EVEN BETTER.)

(Also, I don't think they broke up so much as they healed, but whatever.)

Nikola doesn't even speak of John's loyalties but of his love for Helen, which makes it even better.

OH, NIKOLA!

[samjohnsson.livejournal.com]

In order:

1: I would put money that we're going to see that elemental again. Money, I say.

2: Paycheck, and title actor. And I'm completely forgetting s1, but wasn't Helen arms-deep in Will's life from the beginning, anyway? (Besides, grandfather, if not side line. That's got to mitigate the squick somehow.)

4: No German-Canadians, eh? All of the Nazi schtick here felt very Indiana Jones - played for the same comedic effect. Though I did love John's "I recognize evil" line.

5a: I've given up on the timeline of this show, beyond wibbly-wobbly.

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2a: Dear god, yes. I swore the tension was going to short out my screen. (Also, Nikola with his little lackey - was the chemistry a little leering, or just me?)

3: Now we just need some non-het. Just one in ten, all I'm asking.

I have not written a reaction post yet, because there is too much gleeful flailing.

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

1. Well, we know it ends up in London SOMEHOW.

2. It makes me angry that he's the "lead". SHE'S THE LEAD! *mopes* But yes, the fact that she HELD HIM WHEN HE WAS EIGHT is pretty much why I can't ship them in the first place.

4. I wish they weren't comedic. I could have gone for HUGELY MENACING AND SCARY.

2a. SO MUCH CHEMISTRY, SO LITTLE TIME!

3. Um...I think I might actually be at 1 in 10. ;)

[bloodthirstylt.livejournal.com]

Massively awesome ep.
According to this the weather ray (machine) whatever was created by James not the Death ray that baby was still Tesla's.

All though RL Tesla created a weather machine too, I believe he said he had to destroy it because it was too powerful.

Yes the clothing was wonderful.

James/John oh yeah that scene was so damn slashy and good. PW can do anything, but that was never in question for me.

I agree with the what the hell John exit lines, because really what can't Helen do.

Poor Niko and his screwed up timelines and having a person he actually liked be the betrayer.

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

According to this the weather ray (machine) whatever was created by James not the Death ray that baby was still Tesla's.

That was my thought too, but then the Soldier Who Likes Comic Books was all "Like a Death Ray?" and Nigel was all "Yes, that!" and...it was weird.

HOLY GOD, JAMES AND JOHN!

[icarus-chained.livejournal.com]

THIS! The whole thing. *flails madly*

5a. ALSO, I didn't think it was possible, but now his timeline makes EVEN LESS SENSE because if "every spy agency in the world" is after him for the Death Ray (which, it turns out, was invented by JAMES, FCOL), WHY IS HE IN LONDON?

I thought James' was a weather machine, and Nikola's a Death Ray. Which, you know, means the Five is actually UP a doomsday machine, and seriously, the world is so lucky they were mostly on-side at the time. *grins* And I want fic of James and Nikola wiring coded pieces of plans for various machines to each other, and asking questions like: "Nikola, how much charge do you think I'd need to induce storms over fifty miles of coastline? Oh, and have you any ideas on altering atmospheric pressure?" *snickers* Seriously. World is SO. LUCKY. the Five never decided to take over the world together. Heh.

Tesla being all "Oh, I don't mean England, I mean Helen." wrt: John's loyalties and so on. And the bits where got his vampire on. GOD, I LOVE JONATHON YOUNG. He is just so damn precise and it kills me every time.

I know! I love how they know, every time, even if they're currently hating each other. I love how the Five always know what's in each other's heads.

"Hurt her...or hurt you?" I AM NEVER GETTING OVER THIS EPISODE!

Me either. *breathes* That whole things, John and James ... I am NEVER getting over it. *shakes head, smiles disbelievingly* Never ever.

So yeah, I'm one of Those Fans who will accept weird and inexplicable, done to death plot lines because I don't so much care about the episode as I care about the fact that it got them all together (more or less) to talk about their feelings.

*grins* And in this, you are far, FAR from alone. Heh.

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

I thought James' was a weather machine, and Nikola's a Death Ray.

See that's what I thought too, but then the Not!Jack American Dude was all "You mean like a Death Ray?" and Nigel was all "Yeah, just like that!" and I was confused.

Also, I really think you should write the fic you've now teased me with TWICE.

NEVER GETTING OVER THIS EPISODE!

[havocthecat]

I think I'm mostly just a little irked that there wasn't some way to work Kate's great-grandmother (or whatever) in there. I'm fairly sure a dark-skinned woman of Indian descent would be perfectly happy to work with the Resistance, or be in the British or American war office, or something.

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

YES, THIS! This would have been INFINITELY more interesting.

(ooooh...maybe I shall write a Nikola and Kate ficlet wherein they find out that her great-great something or other was part of the force that took out Bhasalam or something. Could work.)

[penknife.livejournal.com]

SERIOUSLY, after the "Feel better?"; "Much"; "Shall we?"; "GOD, YES!" exchange, HOW DID THEY NOT KISS?

OMG THEM. John/James/Helen, one big tangled hot mess. James and John are so screwed up, but their feelings for each other are ... textually pretty intense, here.

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

And now it's a canon big tangled hot mess.

That sequence of scenes seriously surpassed my wildest expectations (and wow, I did not get anything LIKE enough sleep last night to pull off that kind of alliteration on purpose...).

SUCH A MESS. AND SO INTENSE. I LOVE IT.

[jerusha]

You know, as someone who is not the biggest fan of Helen/Will, I am totally down with believing that she's been stalking the Zimmermans since WWII. OTOH, you could also view it as their being soulmates who somehow keep connecting. But...no. That's okay. I prefer the first explanation.

I loved the episodes, and ITA re: Nikola. Come on. You know he went and terrorized the Germans for a while, and then the Allies made him come home and sat on him because of his death ray. :P

[rj-anderson.livejournal.com]

Forget Nikola's messed-up timeline, what about Nigel's? He's supposed to be 80 at this point, how the heck is he so young? Or did they handwave that in another episode with the effects of the Source Blood extending his longevity and I missed it? (But if that's true why was James wearing the suit already, as he presumably wouldn't need it yet?)

Chris and Peter were having WAY TOO MUCH FUN playing that scene, you know it. Also, I call SHERLOCK shout-out with that "God, yes" line. (I'm still trying to figure out when this ep would have been filmed and whether that's even possible, but I'm pretty sure it is. James Watson and a high-functioning sociopath psychopath, seriously.)

Helen calling James "darling" made me wibble a little. Heaven knows why, as I don't even ship them. I BLAME FANON.

I like that they killed Will's relative. If we had to have Robin Dunne doing a terrible, terrible New Jersey accent (though really, all the accents in this ep were terrible) we should at least kill him for it. I was afraid we were going to get a moving scene where Helen clasps his hand and promises she'll never forget him. Instead we got it over his dead body. Awesome.

(I used to like Will fine. When did I start really being annoyed by Will? Oh yeah. This season.)

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

Yeah...I've kind of given up on Nigel.

(unless he faked his own death and didn't tell ANY OF THEM, which would be kind of great)

Heaven knows why, as I don't even ship them. I BLAME FANON.

I ship all of them. All the time. This episode was pretty much FORTY MINUTES OF WIBBLING. Fanon, FTW!

Instead we got it over his dead body. Awesome.

Pretty much the only reason I don't HATE IT.

(I tried to like Will SO HARD. My life's been so much easier since I've given that up.)

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[threerings.livejournal.com]

SERIOUSLY, after the "Feel better?"; "Much"; "Shall we?"; "GOD, YES!" exchange, HOW DID THEY NOT KISS?

My theory is that John was going to teleport them straight to a bed or other private, horizontal surface, but obviously, that didn't work the way he wanted.

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

That's probably a fair assumption. :)

[maccadole.livejournal.com]

Yes to all you say! If I started quoting and replying I'd end up with at least half of your entry, so I'll simply agree with everything instead!

[fading-ripples.livejournal.com]

10. The Norway misdirect. I can't believe ACTUAL PEOPLE fell for that. SERIOUSLY.

Whaa..why wouldn't they fall for that??

:p

[grav-ity.livejournal.com]

I'm sure it's a nice place, I just...I look at a map of Europe and think "Oh, yeah. I'd totally go for Norway instead of France!" ;)

[angelqueen04.livejournal.com]

2. Why the HELL was Robin Dunne in this episode? And who tells him that his accents are funny?

(The only thing that saves it from being a TOTAL DISASTER is that Helen never sees his face, and I'm not even sure she ever catches his NAME, so while her "He'll never be forgotten" is kind of sweet, it also means that either a) she forgot him anyway, which would be funny because it's Will, or b) she's been stalking Will's family since the 1940s and that means they can't possibly hook up and IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME, OKAY?)

HEE! I was totally thinking that Helen started stalking the Zimmermans after this. I'm guessing that Jack Zimmerman was Will's grandfather (because didn't he leave a phone message to his dad earlier this season?). We know that Helen was stalking Will's mom and saw her get eaten while Helen managed to save Will himself. Hee! STALKER!HELEN IS TEN KINDS OF AWESOME! :D

2. In "For King and Country", James and John don't even SPEAK to one another, not really. And this time, they kind of let it out a bit, which means that NEXT time (in "Revelations", until proven otherwise), James can REALLY GO TO TOWN ON IT.

2a. SERIOUSLY, after the "Feel better?"; "Much"; "Shall we?"; "GOD, YES!" exchange, HOW DID THEY NOT KISS?

(side note: "GOD, YES!" was almost exactly what I said! EXCEPT I WAS A LOT MORE HYSTERICAL THAN JAMES WAS. If you can imagine it.)

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes. *bg* These two are so awesome.

3. HELEN/JAMES! ACTUALLY HAPPENED! I thought at first John was just mocking him, but HOLY GOD, THEY WENT THERE. AND BACK AGAIN. AND I LOVE THEM.

OMG THEY DID! And John was totally mocking James on it! *speculates like mad*

I may have to write a post dedicated to this.

6. NIGEL AND JEANETTE! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

*squeaks* I KNOW!!!! Heh, until I hear otherwise, Jeanette is totally Clare's grandma! (Again, why did they off a character who had so much potential beyond being Will's girlfriend?)

9. Tesla being all "Oh, I don't mean England, I mean Helen." wrt: John's loyalties and so on. And the bits where got his vampire on. GOD, I LOVE JONATHON YOUNG. He is just so damn precise and it kills me every time.

*giggles* JY is so flipping awesome IDEK! *pets him* I would have liked more vampire!Nikola -- seriously, they should have taken him with them to France and just unleashed him on the Nazis. He totally would have wiped them out. But that might have distracted from John and James' bitchfest of awesome. *BG*

Heh, of course, his comment about John's loyalties to Helen and everything else totally lends more evidence to my belief that all four of the guys were in a bit in love with Helen. Seriously, of the four, the only one who, in canon, had a significant other that wasn't Helen was Nigel. So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, they were all hung up on her one way or another. *glees*

11. "Hurt her...or hurt you?" I AM NEVER GETTING OVER THIS EPISODE!

OMFGIHEARYOU!!! *FLAILS HUGELY*

Also, back to Nigel: I had a thought. Back in the first season, when John and Will went to find Clare, Clare made the comment that using her abilities she was able to reach into any pot she wanted (or something similar) and John got all indignant about it, saying, "That's not what the ability was meant for!" Implying that the invisibility was for some grand, larger purpose. But then, in the flashbacks (I think it was in FKAC), didn't the Prime Minister imply that Nigel had been using his ablities to knock off banks? *snortlaugh*

I just randomly find this amusing. ;)

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I'm guessing that Jack Zimmerman was Will's grandfather (because didn't he leave a phone message to his dad earlier this season?)

Either grandfather and there's a big generation gap (Will's father would have to be alive in 1944, which makes him, at the youngest, 67), or great-grandfather and a VERY SMALL generation gap (which is pretty much how the Nigel-Anna-Clara thing works anyway, so...precedent, I guess. I honestly think that none of the writers can do math.)

I may have to write a post dedicated to this

I may have done this already. And written two fics. And planned a Big Bang. *head desk*

I MISS CLARA SO MUCH!

(And yes, you are right about the banks. That was funny.)

Heh, of course, his comment about John's loyalties to Helen and everything else totally lends more evidence to my belief that all four of the guys were in a bit in love with Helen.

Dude, is there ANYONE IN THE WORLD who doesn't think that ALREADY? ;)

Clone Zimmerman ruined the show for me

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Or at least, what could have been the perfection of the show.

Genetics do not work like that! At least make him a redhead or something, or make up him a different nose.

I just don't buy Granny Zimmerman at all, every time he's on screen, my disbelief is broken, I'm just like, "What is the kid doing here? What is the kid doing here"?




Oh god, John Druitt was smoking hot, it's just so fucking unfair, and wrong, since he's in a Nazi get-up, but oh god, he's just such a sensual strong oh so wrong villain, the way he kept touching James, my knees are jelly and it's not fair.

I was so stressed when he got shot, even though I know he doesn't die.


Nikola was so worried about his Nakama, it's adorable, the are his pack! He did some shady stuff, lots, but I've always thought that the Nikola we saw in "The Five" have gone a bit loopy from isolation. The Nikola in Normany would have allowed the last of the vampire race to fall off a cliff of no return he had to chose between them and the rest of The Five. I sincerely believe that.


I really wish that haven't written Alan Turing out of history though, especially considering what horrible things was done to that guy (forceful hormone therapy for his gays which lead to his suicide) in compared to the fact that Turing helped us win the fucking war! This is sci-fi! I think attributing the code cracking to Tesla was just lazy lazy writing - they could have easily invented something else extraordinary for Tesla to do. Have him invent something against Hitler's attempt of an undead army or something.

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penknife and dbalthasar took care of it. ;)